The Plague of Accounting

This is the study page for the Thursday Night Bible Study Group meeting May 21 to study 2 Samuel 24.  The LAST chapter!  Yes, we finally made it, and what a bizarre chapter with which to wrap up.  Here we see some of the oddest behavior of God recorded.  Theologians don't like this chapter, so don't be discouraged.  No one really understand it.  But we will slug our way through nonetheless!

Read through it several times.  It may be helpful with this one to read through fully with a few old and new translations.  Then pay close attention to the differences in how they build their statements.  Part of the differences you will see between translations of different time periods will be in theological views changing in the 20th Century (which is interesting).  So use a KJV and something else, but if you can find an American Standard Version (ASV - it's public domain - easy to find online for free), use that as well.

This is a good chapter to use with a Strong's either in print or online.  There are lots of places where words are difficult to understand, which you will see in the differences between translations.

You're going to have a ton of questions (everyone does).  So make sure to write them all down or you'll forget some.  The ones I have below are focused on stuff just below the surface, so that's why there's fewer of them, and none of them will be obvious or make much sense (kind of like the chapter as a whole).  Be sure to come up with your questions first, then look through whatever commentaries you have, and only then, look at the questions below.  DON'T START WITH THESE!  Please!

• The verb typically translated as 'incited' or 'moved' in verse 1 is clearly written to say that God caused David to do harm to the country.  Yes, God is angry with them, but what do you think the writer/editor is describing here?  What do you think God is doing?  This brings into question your assumptions about God and His character.
• The word translated as 'number', 'enroll', 'register' etc. is actually a very problematic generic word for 'visit'.  The reason for the visit is always left to context, and rarely with another 'helping descriptor' word. So it has tons of words it's translated into, with visit not even the most common.  You easily get the reason for the 'visit' here.  Why do you think this 'visit' is such a serious sin?
• Between the close of verse 10 and the beginning of verse 11 David obviously slept.  What do you think David thought about what he did and what this meant for his people?
• God offers David three options.  What do you think it says about David that he responded as he did?  
• How compassionate was three days of pestilence on the people of Israel?
• In verses 13 and 15, the word for the 'plague' or 'pestilence' is here. But in verses 21 and 25 the word is here.  How likely is it that the 'editor' used two different sources for the event?  What do you think that would do to contribute to making this difficult to understand?  Can you find any more of these?
• Consider the interaction between God and the 'angel' and David and the angel.  How do you imagine this happening?  Keep in mind David is in Jerusalem (or is he? - this is where the word for 'plague' changes).
• Read verse 23 in the KJV.  Remember that italicized words are ones added to help the translation make sense.  What if you read it without them, what do you think that means for this Arunah character?  Now what's going on?

There are plenty of other questions, so these are just additional ones you may not have caught or that most commentaries will simply ignore (some, not all).  It should be a lively discussion to wrap up 2 Samuel!

Nice Poem, Tough Guy

This is the study page for the Thursday Night Bible Study Group meeting May 21 to study 2 Samuel 23.  This is a very interesting chapter.  It starts with a poem, and winds up with a roster of some of the toughest guys in ancient history.  They're not 'creepy', but they do give the uncomfortable sense of not being 'safe'; at least not for 'bad guys'.

Read through the chapter a few times.  Spend some time on the poem, especially considering the contrast from chapter 22, like in tone and in possible situation.  I think this is more one from later in David's life rather than 22 being earlier.  What do you think?

Make notes as you read through, jot down questions.  It's easy to get lost in the names, so basically look for familiar ones, ones that don't fit the 'pattern' and so on.  Only after doing this should you consult commentaries.  The commentaries will make a lot more sense at that point.  Remember to use different translations as well.  That helps spot difficulties in language (especially in the poem, but also among the names).

After reading through, taking notes, jotting questions, and reading any commentary and alternate translations, go back through with the questions below:

• Consider how David 'introduces' himself at the beginning.  Read it in a few translations.  What does verse 1 sound like to you?  Imagine it being said out loud.  Who do you imagine saying it?
• Starting in verse 2, David speaks of himself and his house.  What do you think of his self-assessment?
• Through verse 5, David speaks of the greatness of his house, but why is it great?  Where does his 'greatness' come from?  Why do you think he speaks about it in this way?
• After verse 5, David begins to contrast his 'house' with 'others'.  Look at these others in other translations.  Who do you think he refers to here?  Find a King James version among your translations.  They don't even try to translate it, but simply use the Hebrew word.  Considering the wide range of translation options, what do you think it means?
• Verse 8 begins the list of David's Mighty Ones.  The account begins with three, or the Three.  What makes these guys distinctive?
• Can you imagine such a fight where one guy with a sword or spear defeats everyone?  How is that possible?  What do you think such a fight would look like?
• Who won the victory in those encounters?  Why do you think that's important here?
• Why, after they worked so hard, do you think David pours out the water before God?  What did he do with it?  Do you think that was 'better' than drinking it?
• Everyone else is compared to the Three.  How do you think they compare?
• Why do you think Joab isn't listed?  His brothers made it on the list, and he survived the reign of David, why do you think he didn't make it?
• Abishai is left on his own in a way.  Why do you think that is?  How do you think he is compared to the "Three"?  So is he a 'good guy' or 'bad guy'?
• Benaiah is next after Abishai.  What do your commentaries say about his 'snowy pit lion fight' if anything?  
• He defeats one Egyptian.  How impressive is that considering the Three?  What do you think of him?
• His role seems to be in charge of the bodyguards (the Thirty), or is he simply 'the Bodyguard' of David?  Look at various translations.  What do you think?
• Then the list of the 'Thirty', and Asahel is first, but we know he dies early on before David is king over Israel.  So, is this a current list of David's body guard at the end of his reign?  Why do you think this list is included?  What's the writer's point with this list of the Three, the two, and the Thirty?  What do you think it says about David?

That should carry us through the hour (or so).  Be sure to bring your questions and notes!

A Gutless General And a Headless Fool

This is the Bible study page for the Thursday Night Bible Study Group meeting April 23 to study 2 Samuel 20.  This is another in a long line of strange tales from Scripture.  Joab, once again, comes to the forefront in all his bloody glory.

Read the chapter through a couple of times.  Be sure to use more than one translation.  Jot down observations, questions, and insight or application you gain as you read.  Then feel free to consult commentaries, either ones you have or anything on Blue Letter Bible.  Jot down any additional things you learn from your study of other resources.  After that, go back through with the questions below:

• A certain worthless fellow happened to be where? Where did this take place?
• Why do you think Benjamites are so problematic for David?
• Why do you think, after having the debate of 19:9 and 10, does everyone now follow 'a certain worthless fellow'?  Or do you think everyone followed Sheba? What clues do you see in the chapter that may indicate only some of the men of Israel followed him?
• Judah remains with David to Jerusalem (v.2), and he doesn't have Sheba pursued immediately.  Why do you think David isn't in much of a hurry here?  
• What are your thoughts on the Ten Concubines?  Was David fair here?
• Why give Amasa three days?  Why do you think three days isn't enough for Amasa?  Read that statement in several translations.  Does he wait three days to start gathering, or does it take more than three days to gather, or what?
• Whatever the problem, David doesn't wait for Amasa and all the men of Judah.  He sends out his own personal 'ites' under who?  Who does he give instructions to?  Why him and not Joab?
• The text is really clear about Joab being in his 'military garb'; well duh! He going to battle against a rebel, why do you think that detail is included?
• Imagine the scene.  How does a sword 'fall out' of its sheath while a soldier is walking?  If it does, how does a person being approached not notice something that big?
• If you've looked this passage over in several translations, you've seen some refer to Joab's 'dagger' at his belt.  Here's the word on Blue Letter Bible in the Strong's.  Why do you think they would translate it as 'dagger' here?
• Look at this event closely.  Which hand does Joab use to strike the blow to Amasa's stomach?
• Amasa wasn't 'on his guard'.  Why do you think the writer thought he should have been?
• Why do you think the detail that Amasa's innards 'poured out' was included? Then that Joab didn't strike him again, and then that he's 'wallowing in his blood'?  What is your overall impression of how Amasa dies?  What did Joab do here?
• Everyone (of Judah) stops at Amasa wallowing in his blood.  Why do you think they do that?  What are they thinking?  
• The man left behind by Joab throws Amasa's body into a field and throws a cloak over it.  This seems to solve the problem of people following Joab.  How do you feel about Amasa?  What do you think of him?
• See if you can find a map with Abel Beth-Maacah on it (good luck).  Where is place in relation to 'Gilgal'?  So, the detail that he 'went through all the tribes of Israel' isn't an exaggeration?
• Why do you think Sheba went all that far if he's from Benjamin (right close to where he was)?
• Read verse 14 in several versions.  Who do you think is doing what?  Read any commentary (the more the merrier here), what do they say about verse 14, if anything?  Why do you imagine this might be so hard to understand?
• What do you think the people of Abel Beth Maacah are doing while the ramp is being built to tear down the wall? Do you imagine a battle?  Why not go out to talk to Joab before they start tearing down the wall?
• Consider what the 'wise woman' says to Joab about their city.  Why do you think she terms it that way?
• Why do you think the writer is so persistent in referring to the woman as 'wise'?
• What do you think of Joab's side of the discussion? Is he really a man of peace?  He uses an oath or expletive that he would NEVER 'swallow up or destroy'.  Really?  Look at the wall! Hello!
• Imagine this dialogue, this is cultural Middle Eastern negotiation.  What do you think of it?
• What do you think of their solution?  Why does Joab recognize Sheba?
• The list of who does what in David's kingdom seems out of place to me.  Why do you think it's here?
• Joab is listed over the army.  Who is Benaniah?  Look him up in various resources.  What do you think of this guy?
• If Adoram was over the 'forced labor' what does that tell you about life in Israel during David's reign?  Does this guy every show up again?  What do you think of that?
• Jehosaphat is literally the one tasked with 'remembering'.  What do you think that means?
• Sheva is the 'scribe'.  Look up this word in Strong's (follow link).  What might be a modern 'profession' that is like this?
• Why do you think David has a personal priest?  We never hear of this guy anywhere else.  What do you think this guy does for David?

That should suffice for us this week.  Be sure to bring your study results to our group.  We need your perspective!

Rebuilding Burnt Bridges

This is the study page for the Thursday Night Bible Study Group meeting April 16 to study 2 Samuel 19.  This chapter, in some ways, closes out the account of Absalom, and in some ways sets up the next difficulty of David.  The importance of this chapter is really found in the maneuverings of David to reestablish himself as king.

Read it through several times, and jot down things you notice or questions you have about the story.  Note who does what, what is said, ask yourself 'why' (both why did he say that, and why did that detail make it into the story), and try to imagine seeing and hearing these events.

After reading through with your own observations and questions, then go to other resources to get other perspectives.  Use other translations, and if you have access to more than one commentary, use them.  Modify your questions and observations from what you read.

After having done your own work through the passage, go back through with these questions:

• What do you think the people are feeling as they 'steal' into they city?
• Joab has absolutely no remorse for having killed Absalom and buried him in pit in the woods. Why do you think he's behaving as he is?  What do you think he's feeling?
• Considering the insult added to injury that Joab killed Absalom and feels no remorse, why do you think David puts up with this guy?  What clues have you found so far along this story?
• David complies with Joab and goes down to the gate.  What do you think changed in David that enabled him to do that?
•  Joab claims that David was being foolish, possibly selfish.  What do you think of what Joab said?  What do you think of how David responded?
• The 'men of Israel' fled and then started arguing about why they rebelled in the first place.  Think through what they say, perhaps in a couple of translations.  What do you think of their reasoning?  Why did they rebel in the first place?  What happened?
• David sends messages to Judah only.  Why do you think they were not included in the discussion among the 'men of Israel'? Or do you think they were?  If they were, then why do you think David reached out to them only?
• Think through the content of David's appeal to Judah.  What two things does he use to turn them around to his side?  Why do you think he had to work that hard?
• What do you think are some possible reasons that David replaces Joab so boldly and blatantly?
• What do you think it means for Joab's position or reputation among the men of Israel and Judah that he's replaced like he is, and with who he's replaced by?
• Judah returns to the king's side last, but arrives first at the Jordan.  Why do you think that is?
• Who else arrives?  What do you think of Shimei that he works to bring David back?
• Shimei is from Bahurim, which is where David's spies were hidden by someone.  What does that tell you about this village, and perhaps this revolt all together?
• Shimei helps the people over, then stops before David asking for forgiveness.  What do you think that says about his character, if anything?
• Think about what Abishai asks.  Why would he think that of a guy asking for forgiveness?  What do you think Abishai is thinking?
• David again asks why he puts up with 'the sons of Zeruiah'.  They are always referred to this way.  What do you suspect that says for why they have remained in David's service?
• David forgives Shimei, but glance ahead to 1 Kings 2:8,9.  What does this tell you of David's forgiveness? Do you think this is forgiveness as God sees it?
• Okay, did you miss Ziba's appearance with his fifteen sons and twenty servants?  Read verses 16 and 17 over and over.  What does this sound/look like to you?
• Who are the 1000 men with, Ziba or Shimei?
• Verse 17 is typically translated that Ziba and his household were among the 1,000.  What do you think about that?  If Ziba and Shimei were 'buddies' what does that tell you about the two of them as David's leaving Jerusalem? They both acted very differently, but who do you trust if either of them?
• Enter Mephibosheth, stage right.  How did he get to the Jordan if he was having so much trouble getting out of Jerusalem before?
• What about him would have been very difficult to 'fake' if he was insincere?
• What sounds 'funky' about Mephibosheth's explanation of why he didn't go?  Who's fault was it?
• How exactly did Ziba deceive Mephi in this explanation?
• What does Mephi rely on in his final plea?
• What do you think of David's judgement on them?  Why do you think he would judge that way? Who are you in favor of?
• What do you think of Mephi's response?
• Barzilai is from the east side of the Jordan.  What do you think of his explanation about why it would make no sense for him to go to Jerusalem with David?  What does his explanation tell yo about what to expect being supported by the king?
• We aren't told who Chimham is.  We don't know who his parents are, who his kids are, and this is the only place a reference to him is found.  Who do you think he is?
• Who meets David at Gilgal to bring him over?  What do you think it means, 'half of the men of Israel' (or 'troops' or 'people' or 'army')?
• So, if half are already there, who's left to be upset with Judah?
• Think through the reasoning of both groups.  Which one makes more sense?
• What do the men of Judah suspect the men of Israel suspect?
• What really irritates the men of Israel about Judah's claim on David?
• Imagine you're at the Jordan, at Gilgal.  Two huge crowds of men are arguing over David.  How do you feel?  What are you afraid is going to happen?
• What does happen in the final verse?  Peek ahead, is that more what you expected?

That should keep us busy for a few minutes Thursday.  I look forward to seeing everyone then!

A Dangerously Big Head

This is the study page for the Thursday Night Bible Study Group meeting April 9 to study 2 Samuel 18.  This is an odd chapter.  It's also a great example of how I remember details wrong over the years.  I hadn't read this for some time, and I didn't remember David having so many people, and the battle being so bloody.  See why we keep reading?

Read through the chapter several times.  Sure, Absalom's death is funny in some ways, but think it through, imagine it, put yourself there.  It's not so funny really, but tragically ironic.  It's something that smacks of God in the details.  What about the other details though?  Look through those and again imagine the activity.  It means something that David has so many and that this battle is so costly.  Consider what that may mean.

As you go through the chapter, jot down notes and questions.  After reading through a few times, then consider commentaries.  As you read through commentaries, jot down more questions and observations.  It may be helpful, after reading any references you have, to go back through the chapter again.

After all that, go back through with the questions below:

• It never says how many people David has, but considering the 'officers' breakdown, he has to have at least 3,000.  Considering he left with 600 fighting men, where do you think these came from?
• He sets Joab and Abishai over troops, but why do you think Ittai?  He's a foreigner (from Gath), and David has others in his cadre who could easily have led.  What do you think it means or what do you think it says about Ittai that David sets him over troops?
• The people don't want David to go out with them.  Consider chapter 21:17, which may not be in chronological order.  Do you think David thought it was a good idea to go, or that he thought it was 'right' or 'necessary' for him to go?
• David tells Joab, Abishai, and Ittai to go easy on Absalom, and everyone hears it.  Why would he do that considering all that has happened?  Why do you think David is so hesitant to be hard on Absalom?
• The 'forest of Ephraim' is part of what defines their territory.  Look up Joshua 17:15-18 and see what the people thought when they were given the land.  Look up the word 'forest' and see how you imagine this 'wood'.  What do you imagine the fight to be like, especially considering that more died from the woods, than from other soldiers? 
• Who is favored in such a fight in such a difficult place?
• Absalom meets the servants of David, and is then caught in the tree.  How do you imagine this happening?  It says his 'head', and then he hangs there.  How does someone catch their 'head' in a tree and then dangles there?
• Some guy sees what happens to Absalom and tells Joab.  Look at Joab's response.  What has he decided to do regardless of what David said?  Why do you think Joab is so decisive even when David isn't?
• Joab is mad at the guy for not killing Absalom there and then.  What does the guy's response tell you about how Joab is viewed, even among his men?
• Considering that they guy tells Joab instead of simply capturing Absalom, what does that tell you about what the people thought about Absalom, and how to treat him?
• Joab doesn't debate with the guy, but more importantly, doesn't disagree with him.  How do you imagine this 'discussion' looking/sounding like, as if you were there?
• Joab thrusts THREE spears into Absalom (literally his heart).  Obviously, if he's still alive, this doesn't refer to the 'heart' as we know it, what might it refer to?
• Joab has people carrying his stuff which explains how he is able to use three spears (these are fairly large weapons).  They circle Absalom and kill him on the ground.  This is a pretty terrible gruesome death.  Why do you think they are so vehement?
• It says that Joab restrained the people.  What does that tell you about how the battle was going?
• What do you think of Abaslom's burial?  This is very different from Ahithophel's where he was 'gathered to his fathers'.  So, how do you think Abaslom was viewed by the 'servants of David'?
• All Israel flees, and then it remarks about Absalom's pillar.  What do you think happened to his sons mentioned in chapter 14 (14:27)?  
• When do you think the pillar happened, those aren't 'instant' especially if they are to last?  What does that tell you about 'time' taken here?
• Why do you think Ahimaaz is so adamant about going to inform the king?
• Why do you think Joab doesn't want Ahimaaz to go?  He likes Ahimaaz, and considers him a great bearer of news, just not this news.  Why?
• Cushites are from southern Egypt.  This is another example of a foreigner very loyal to David.  How does this idea that Philistines, Egyptians, and Ammonites serving David in service to God affect how you view Israel, and perhaps even God's acceptance of people?
• Ahimaaz runs in a 'roundabout' route, but out runs the Cushite, arriving first.  Read through the 'watchman's' report a few times.  What about this seems 'odd'?  Perhaps read it in a few versions, noting the differences.  What's odd about it?
•  David keeps saying, 'that means he brings good news' over and over, even when his basis of reasoning changes.  Why do you think he keeps saying this?
• What do you think of Ahimaaz' initial report?  How do you imagine Ahimaaz sounding once he arrives?
• The Cushite appears and finishes the account.  How does the Cushite seem to feel about Absalom's death?
• Does your version have verse 33? Some do and some don't. The Hebrew doesn't.  In Hebrew and many English versions, it's verse 1 of chapter 19.  Where do you think it belongs?

That is plenty to keep us occupied.  Remember to bring your questions and observations to the group. See you Thursday!

Pouting to Death

This is the Bible study page for the Thursday Night Bible Study Group meeting April 2 to study 2 Samuel 17.  This chapter has some danger, intrigue, spurious family lineage, out-and-out bold-faced lying, and grown-up deadly pouting.  It's fun!

Read through the chapter several times.  This is another place where those boring genealogies may come in handy.  Knowing who is connected to whom, and how may be instructive.  Just keep in mind the uncertainty that the same name isn't necessarily the same person.  Jot down questions and insights you gain along the way, and bring these with you Thursday.

After reading through a few times, go back through with the questions below:

• Before, Ahithophel is asked about what to do (16:20), but now Ahithophel volunteers his advice.  Why do you think Ahithophel is in such a hurry?  What do you think he's up to with his advice?
• Consider who David has with him, the bodyguard, the 'Three', the sons of Zeruiah, Beniniah (the guy int he pit with a lion on a snowy day-dude), and so on.  How likely do you think it is that Ahithophel and 12,000 are going to 'spook' these guys leading a desperate 600?
• This may be a good place to review David's bodyguard.  Read through 23:8 through the end of the chapter.  Then focus on the list of 30 bodyguards.  Who do you find in there, and is that a surprise?
• Considering Ahithophel's family, why do you think he would engage David this way?
• Who likes Ahithophel's plan?  What are all the elders of Israel doing there with Absalom?
• If Absalom and all the rogue elders of Israel like the plan, why do you think Absalom wanted to ask Hushai?  Sure God goaded him, but how did He do it?
• What is Hushai's basic problem with Ahithophel's plan?
• Considering chapter 23 you read earlier, how much do you think Hushai is embellishing, if any?
• Hushai counsels gathering more than 12,000; but how long do you think such gathering will take?
• Hushai counsels taking down the whole lot of David's people, not just David.  Why do you think this might appeal to Absalom and the elders?
• The assessment in verse 14 is that Ahithophel's counsel was 'good'.  That means, in retrospect, the author is conceding that Ahithophel was right.  What are your thoughts on this assessment?
• The other element is that God conspired to bring 'evil' on Absalom (that's the word in Hebrew, the King James version doesn't make it nice).  How do you feel about God bringing 'evil' on someone, anyone?  
• Almost every translation has a different word for 'evil' here.  Why so difficult to translate?
• Hushai sends word to David through his intelligence network he set up as he left town.  Look at how it works: Hushai-to-Priests-to-maidservant-to-sons-to-David.  Where do you think might be the weak link in that chain?
• Ahimaaz and Jonathan are outside the city, but they are seen anyway.  What does that tell you about Absalom's 'intelligence network'?
• Just so you catch the 'pun' a 'boy' sees them and tells Absalom, and they hide in 'boys'-town, before fleeing to David.
• Consider back to the list of David's bodyguard.  Do you remember seeing Bahurim as one of the 'ites' in his bodyguard?  How convoluted and pervasive is David's support?
• The two hide in a well, and a woman covers it and hides it.  Then the 'servants of Absalom' speak with the woman.  They even seem to know where the two sons have gone.  What does that tell you about 'secrets' in Israel?
• The woman lies.  How do you feel about 'lying' in the service to God?
• The servants don't really believe her, look anyway, but don't find the two sons.  So they leave and the two escape.  What does this 'scene' remind you of? Movies, books, or just stories you've heard.
• Ahimaaz and Jonathan reach David, and all the people cross over all night.  Considering where they were and how long it took to cross over, what do you think of Ahithophel's plan now?  Does this change your opinion of David's chances?
• Ahithophel sees that his advice is not followed, so he goes home and kills himself.  Why do you think he did that?  Commentators typically say that he knew they would fail, but is that necessarily true? What do you think here?
• Find Mahanaim on a map.  This is where Ishbosheth had his capital.  Why do you think David comes here?
• As he arrives, Absalom crosses the Jordan, so how long did it take to 'gather all Israel'?  Or do you think perhaps they're gathering in Gilead?  How do you imagine this happening?
• Look closely at who Amasa is.  Who is his 'grandfather'?  Look up Nahash on the Blue Letter Bible site.  Then look forward at verse 27, is this the same guy?  What's going on here?  Abagail is also David's sister (and the name of one of his wives).  And the writer is very direct at pointing out that Amasa is a cousin to Joab and his brothers.  What does all this tell you about Amasa?  Why do you think Absalom put him over the army?
• Look at the list of those who come to support David in Mahanaim.  One was the 'patron' of Mephibosheth (Machir of Lo-Debar).  One is the prince of the sons of Ammon.  What do you think of this list of people?  They're not all Israelites, so what does that tell you about David and how he gets along with foreigners?
• The bring supplies.  Who does this remind you of?

Now we're set for the final show down in chapter 18, but this chapter has plenty to keep us occupied.  I look forward to going through it with you Thursday!

Bad Servants, Bad sons, Bad Advisors

This is the Bible study page for the Thursday Night Bible Study Group meeting March 26 to study 2 Samuel 16.  This chapter serves to further the situation of David fleeing and Absalom entering Jerusalem.  The contrast between the two events is stark and sad, and the responses further the sense of how different the son is from the father.

Read through the chapter several times.  Look for those odd details that raise questions for you, make notes on interesting things you want to look up.  Only after this step should you consult any sort of commentary.  Your notes and questions will help you get more out of the commentary.

After you've gone through the chapter several times, read a commentary or two, then go back through the chapter with the questions below.  It may be helpful to then go back through the commentaries as well.

• You may want to review chapter 9 to remember who Ziba is.  Remember that he was 'somebody' until he again became a servant to Mephibosheth (somewhat of an outcast from Saul's family).  Why do you think Ziba comes out to walk with David?
• What do you think of Ziba's explanation of why Mephibosheth doesn't come with David?  Considering how 'perfect' Absalom is from head-to-toe (2 Samuel 14:25) how much expectation do you think Mephibosheth (lame in both feet) would have of the kingdom?
• David seems to believe Ziba's story.  Why do you think it sounded plausible to him?
• Why do you think Ziba would say he prostrates himself rather than just do it?  Imagine you're there, see him among the donkey's, food, and gear; and hear him say that.  You're tired, the donkey's and food are welcome, but he 'narrates' his humility.  What do you think of him?
• Next Shimei, also of the house of Saul comes out and curses David.  Why do you think Ziba and Shimei both acted so differently even though they are both of Saul?
• Shimei pelts both David and the Chelethites/Perethites.  Considering who these guys are, why do you think he thinks he can get away with it?
•  Consider all that Shimei says in his curse.  What do you think is his primary problem with David?
• Abishai actually says what most of us were thinking as we read this chapter.  Why do you think David is upset with him?  
• Think through David's response to Abishai.  What do you think David believes about his predicament?
• What does David's hope from enduring the cursing tell you about our relationship with God?  Do you think he's right?
• What do you think is the possibility is that God told Shimei to curse David? Why do you think David would say that?
• The place where David and his people 'arrive' isn't mentioned here.  Consider clues from the previous chapter, where do you think he refreshes?
• Hushai meets Absalom, declaring "Long live the king!"  Think through the dialogue he has with Absalom.  It's a bit different than David told him to tell Absalom, so why would Absalom accept it?
• Why do you think Absalom asks what to do now?  Considering how methodical he's been so far, why didn't have this planned through already?
• Ahithophel's advice may require some commentary to decipher the point.  But even without one, by reading his explanation of why it's important to do this, why do you think Absalom needs to sleepin with the concubines?
• Why on the roof in a tent before everyone?  What's the point here (besides fulfilling a prophesy from 12:11)?
• What does the last verse (23) mean to you?

That should be plenty, considering we'll also be having a meal.  Please remember to bring your questions and insights.

A Tale of Two Characters

This is the Bible study page for the Thursday Night Bible Study Group meeting March 19 to study 2 Samuel 15.  This chapter seems mostly contrasting the character of Absalom with that of his father David.  The depiction of Absalom's character really begins in the previous chapter, but it continues its downward spiral here.

Read through the chapter several times.  Try and imagine yourself in the activity, seeing Absalom in his chariot, hearing him talk with people in the gate, and seeing him respond to people who pay him homage.  Consider what you would think of such a person who you know weighs his hair when he cuts it.

Also pay close attention the convoluted depiction of the exodus of Jerusalem.  Try to imagine what it looked like, what David does and how he does it.  Who comes with him, who tries?  Be sure to take the time to look up the various unfamiliar names, and words or places.  This is a good place to track down cross references in your Bible.  Imagine what it looked like to see the king cross the Kidron Valley barefoot.  Jot down observations, questions, notes, insights and so on.

After you've gone through a few times on your own, go back through with the questions below:

• Look at 1 Samuel 8:11 where Samuel tells those desiring a king what he will do to them.  From this, where do you think Absalom gets the idea for his chariot and runners?
• We normally think of chariots in races.  How fast do you think Absalom is trying to go with fifty guys in front on foot?  So, if speed isn't his point, what do you think is?
• What do you think it meant for the people then that Absalom got up early to meet people in the gate?
• What do you think it implies about David's court that Absalom says, "...there is no one to listen to you for the king"?  How accurate do you think this might have been?
• Why do you think a hair-weighing chariot-riding would-be judge would kiss those who come to him and bow down?  Why do you think people are buying his 'schtick'?
• Absalom says he needs to pay a vow to God he made while in Geshur.  Why did he think this would work with David?  Why do you think David wasn't clued in by Absalom waiting so long and all his other shenanigans that this wasn't on the up-and-up?  Or do you think he was clued in?
• What do you think was the point to the 200 people who went, but knew nothing about the plot?  Why even mention them?
• Ahithophel is one to research.  Look at the Blue Letter Bible site here. The entry from the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia is especially interesting.  We'll be keeping an eye on Ahithophel, but what do you think of a royal counselor who follows a conspiracy?  
• Why do you think a wise man would have followed Absalom so readily? Think this one through, perhaps in reverse.
• Why do you think David didn't hesitate when he hears everyone is for Absalom?  Combined with the fact that Ahithophel, the wise-guy, follows Absalom, what do you infer about Absalom's rebellion at this point?
• Consider verse 14 very carefully.  Why does David want to flee Jerusalem?
• Normally the Cherethites and Pelethites occur together, but now Gittites show up as part of David's 600 original men from Gath (Ziklag).  Considering that was about 20 years ago, why do you think David would tell Ittai that 'you came only yesterday'?
• It's possible these Gittites are people who followed David after seeing him in Gath.  What do you think they saw in David in Gath that caused them to leave Philistines and follow some Israeli rebel?
• David calls them foreigners.  What does that mean for their place among the people of Israel?  What sort of future do they have?
• Ittai has his men and their 'little ones' which indicates their families are with them.  So, how loyal are these 'foreigners'? 
• Ittai says that he's with David wherever and whatever happens.  But they still only have 600 men.  What do you sense among those following David that is lacking in Absalom's group?
• David is crossing the valley, when Zadok and Abiathar show up with the Ark.  Why does David tell them to return?  Do you think setting up a 'spy network' was his first idea or just occurred to him as he told them to return, or what?
• David ascends the Mount of Olives (a favorite place of Jesus later) barefoot and weeping.  How do you imagine this scene?  The whole countryside is weeping, how do you see this as very different from Absalom's throng?
• Hushai the Archite ('Hasty' from Archie?) just as David hears that Ahithophel is advising Absalom.  David prays for God to make Ahithophel foolish, and up pops Hushai.  As answers to prayer go, what do you think about this one being quite so fast?
• Hushai also completes the 'spy network' started with the priests.  What are the odds of Hushai being accepted if he already has Ahithophel?
• Hushai and Absalom arrive in Jerusalem at the same time (or so it seems).  So, at this stage, considering the character of the one coming versus the one going, who do you think has more favor with the Holy One of Israel?  Why?

That will certainly keep us busy, as will the next four chapters.  Take a peak at 1 Kings 5, specifically Adonijah.  What similarities and differences do you see here?  Some lessons are hard to learn.

Not Another Nathan

This is the Bible study page for the Thursday Night Study Group meeting March 12 to study 2 Samuel 14.  This is a really strange story.  The 'story-within-the-story' bothers me because I find it difficult to connect to the overall story.  There are a variety of problems with it, one of which is timing, especially toward the end.

As always, please read the chapter through a few times.  You may have read ahead, but if you didn't, go ahead and do so now.  But come back and re-read this chapter a few times after that.  Jot down questions, insights, lessons learned, and details that you had missed before that jump out at you now.

After reading through several times, go back through using the questions below:

• Hebrew prepositions are pretty simple, and therefore have a huge range of interpretation.  The basic meaning in verse 1 is that the king's heart was 'on' Absalom.  This can also mean 'against', as in you 'lean against a wall' but also as in an adversary.  Consider the various translations you have, some on The Blue Letter Bible.  What do you think Joab 'saw' that he figured what was going on? What do you think David was doing that indicated his heart was 'on' Absalom?
• Tekoa is in Judah (see map below).  Why do you think Joab goes there? Was it 'famous for wisdom'? Did he know of one particular 'wise woman'? Was it simply somewhere if Judah Joab knew David didn't know anyone? Is that even possible?
• Joab 'put words in her mouth' (however a translation words it, that's how it was originally worded).  So, why do you think he need a 'wise woman' if it's his wisdom she's speaking?
• Read Numbers 35:6-28 and Deuteronomy 19:1-13.  The 'avenger' is the word for 'kinsman redeemer' as in Ruth.  What do you think of this legal system in dealing with murders and manslaughter issues?  Considering the rules as they are related here (and keep in mind Numbers is an older witness of them than Deuteronomy), what was supposed to happen to Absalom?
• Considering the story that the woman tells, how does her story relate to Absalom through these rules of the kinsman-avenger versus man-slayer?
• The connection between her story and Absalom may be tenuous (and I think it is), but what do you think about her application of it to David?  What do you think of what she claims are the effects of David's refusal to relent toward Absalom?
• So what do you think it mean for/to Absalom that he be allowed to come back 'free-and-clear'?  How do you think that sets up the rest of the story?
• What do you think of Joab's response to being called out by the king?  What does that tell you of Joab's attitude toward David?
• Why do you think David would let Absalom come back but not see him?  What do you think David was trying to achieve or prevent?
• From verses 25 through 27, what do you think of Absalom?  How do you think he saw himself?
• What about this 'Tamar', why do you think there is another?
• What do you think is more likely, that Absalom waits two years before beginning to summon Joab, or that over two years, he summons him twice, then after 2 years burns his field?
• Why do you think, after having gone through all of this to get Absalom back, does Joab not go see him when he is called for?
• What does it tell you about Absalom that he summons twice, then sets Joab's field on fire to get his attention.  What sort of person is Absalom?
• What do you think if Absalom's statement to either kill him or restore him fully?  What do you think David should have done?

That, and other stuff in this chapter, should keep us plenty busy.  Remember to bring your notes and questions to share in the group.  See you Thursday!

Justice For Dessert

This is the study page for the Thursday Night Bible Study Group meeting March 5 to study 2 Samuel 13.  This account begins the narrative fulfilling the prophesy of Nathan from God regarding David's consequences for his sin with Bathsheba.  It lasts several chapters and is rather involved, somewhat like the succession narrative when David became king.  It is totally missing from Chronicles.

As far as narrative literature goes, I think this qualifies as a tragedy.  In this chapter I don't think anyone would argue that Tamar is a tragic figure.  In a sense, this account is like Judges in the how bad the moral decay becomes.

Read through this chapter several times.  Note the various character details given, especially features that are repeated (some almost irritatingly so).  Consider the point of this author/editor including this account in such detail.

After reading through several times, go back through with these questions:

• It says that brother Amnon loves sister Tamar, and uses that term rather emphatically.  From what follows, how 'loving' do you think was Amnon?  What other terms might better describe what he feels?
• Why do you think Amnon's feelings for Tamar are making him physically sick?  What is it about her being a virgin that's a problem?  Why do you think that she was his sister doesn't seem to phase him?
• Pay very close attention to Jonadab throughout this chapter.  What does he seem to be suggesting?  How much do you think he really knows or suspects about Amnon?
• What significance (if any) do you think there is in Amnon's small deviations from Jonadab's plan?
• Why do you think no one suspects what's really going on with Amnon?  Who do you think might know (if anyone)?
• Amnon refuses to eat at first, and has her send everyone out.  Why do you think Tamar consented, and why would everyone else just go along with this Amnon?
• When Amnon grabs her, Tamar gives an argument against what he's doing (duh).  So what do you think of her reasons why he shouldn't?  What about the king giving her to him in marriage?
• He doesn't listen and literally 'humiliates' her.  Why do you think he was so radically changed in his demeanor toward her at that point?
• Why do you think his servants obeyed when Amnon commanded she be expelled?
• Tamar's robe is described here in more detail.  Why do you think that is?
• What do you imagine people thought as they saw her in that robe torn, and ashes on her head, weeping?
• She goes to Absalom, and he tells her to be quiet about it.  Why do you think he would do that?
• David hears of it anyway (news travels fast in Jerusalem) he was angry, but what did he do?  Why do you think he didn't do anything?
• Absalom hates Amnon, but didn't say anything, and Tamar doesn't say anything because Absalom says not to. Where does that leave David to do anything about this?
• What do you think is going on in Amnon's head?  What sort of person do you think he is?
• It's two years later and Absalom first invites David to the shearing.  Why do you think he did that? What do you think he would have done had David come?
• Why do you think Amnon would have been a reasonable 'replacement' for the king?
• Do you think Solomon went, as one of 'all the kings sons'?
• What about Absalom giving the order to kill Amnon makes it easier for his 'servants'/'men'? 
• What are all the kings sons riding around these days?
• So news reaches Jerusalem ahead of the rich-boy 'mules' they're riding, but how accurate is it?
• How do you think the news reached Jerusalem before the sons of the king?
• Jonadab is back.  From what he says, how much do you think he knows about what's going on?
• Why do you think Jonadab is so sure that only Amnon is dead?
• So, how surprising do you think this should have been for David?
• No one seems to see any of this coming.  Why do you think that is?
• Look up some commentaries and see if you can find anything about how 'legal' Absalom's killing of Amnon actually is.
• Why do you think Absalom go to Geshur?
•  Why do you think David is so favorable to Absalom, even after he kills Amnon?

That should keep us busy for a while.  Blessings upon you all until Thursday!

Secret Sin, Public Punishment

This is the Bible study page for the Thursday Night Bible Study Group meeting February 28 to study 2 Samuel 12.  This is where David is confronted with his sin.  It also forms the beginning of all his troubles in his reign.  On the other hand, you will discover some elements of God's grace hidden among the sadness and shame.

Read through the chapter a few times, and look especially for those elements of this familiar story that escaped you before.  There are some that had escaped me.  Note curious things, and questions about God, David, or other elements in the text.  After you've read through it a few times, read through with the questions below:

• It may not be a big deal, but God sent Nathan to David.  What do you think it would mean if Nathan already knew, but God pushed him into confronting David?
• Consider the elements in Nathan's story carefully.  Think about how each character is revealed, a piece at a time.  At first what do you think of the rich man?
• Considering the detail given, how much do you think the rich man is concerned with his flocks & herds?
• Considering the contrast just in the amount of detail given regarding the poor man's ewe-lamb (give her name, it will help you emote this through), what do you think of the poor man's obsession with his ewe-lamb (Lamberkins? Lamborgini? Lamberta?)?
• A traveler comes to visit the rich man.  The wording is 'he spared his own' as he chose what to provide the traveler.  So, what do you think went through the rich man's mind as he 'opted' for his neighbor's sweet, tender, lamby-wammy?
• The story ends, and David goes off.  Why do you think this might have resonated so strongly with David; you know, besides the obvious shepherd connection?
• David calls the rich guy a 'son of death', yet says he should pay back four-fold.  Considering the details, how much would four lambs make up for what the one meant to the poor man?  How much 'punishment' is four lambs to the rich guy?
• So, how 'in-tune' with the story do you think David really was?
• Nathan then does the 'big reveal' by saying, "You the man!"  What do you think went through David's mind?
• Nathan the Prophet then starts the 'Thus says the Lord' part (or the first one), and God lists out all he did for David.  Consider what's on the list.  What would you think God should, or could, have left off for David's benefit?
• "Why have you despised the word of Yahweh?" is what God asks David.  Think about it, though, what does that imply?  What must David be familiar with in order for him to despise it? And so, how did he become familiar with it?
• God then lists a litany of 'curses' on David.  What do you think of this list?  How bad do you think it is?
• Nathan stops and there's a pause.  Consider David's response.  What does David's response reveal about David? How does how he receives his rebuke mark him as one still after the heart of God?
• Since David repents, Nathan says that he will live.  What does that reveal about what was actually hanging in the balance?  What does that mean for us when we think we know the consequences of our own sin?
• David won't die, but the child will.  How do you feel about God for this glimpse of His character?
• Who do you think the 'blaspheming enemies of Yahweh' might be?
• It takes seven days for the child to die. What does that say about God's character?
• David fasts and lays on the ground while the child lives.  Why do you think he does this after God told him the child would die?
• Who do you think these 'elders of David's house' are?
• After the child dies, the servants of David stand around whispering.  What do you think they fear about David if they told him the child died?
• David behaves rationally after the child dies.  What happened? Do you think there was any more to it than he stated?
• Who was consoling Bathsheba?  What do you think David's role in that should have been?
• What does David do first (after cleaning himself up)?  What do you think that says about his attitude toward God?
• David worships, eats, then goes into Bathsheba.  Why do you think that was the right order, or do you?
• Read verse 23 in as many translations as possible.  What do you think David means?
• Who names the second son Solomon?  Why do you think he goes by that instead of Jedidiah?
• What do you think Joab meant by the city will be named after him?  What other city was named for the conqueror that you can remember?
• This account of the defeat of the sons of Ammon is much more detailed than chapter 10.  So, what do you think the 'city of waters' or 'royal city' refers to?
• What do you think of David wearing the crown of the king of the sons of Ammon?
• What do you think of the decision to give conquered people 'sharp iron implements'?  How wise is that?
• So far, only one city of the sons of Ammon has been mentioned.  Now we read that all their cities were treated the same way.  What does that mean do you think?

That should keep us plenty busy for the evening.  Remember to bring your questions and observations!

Deadly Lack of Discretion

This is the Bible study page for the Thursday Night Bible Study Group meeting February 19 to study 2 Samuel 11.  Well, this is the one we all seem to know best.  This is where the life of David becomes a tragic 'soap opera'.  For him this is the turning point where so much of his life seems to slide downhill.  I can probably come up with a lot of other descriptive cliche's but you get the picture.

Per my usual instructions, read the chapter through a few times.  There's a better than even chance that you will find details you had always missed before.  You will probably notice elements to the story that you've never heard.  Please jot these down so we can discuss them Thursday.  One element that dawned on me is how many people in David's household were involved in all of this.  I always thought of it as some big secret, but seriously, there's no way.  What were some you noticed?

After reading it through several times, jotting down observations and questions, read it through again with the questions below:

• It may have been the season when kings go out to war, but how odd do you think it was for David to remain in Jerusalem?  What do you think might be wrong here?
• David walks about on the roof in the evening.  What do you think might be wrong with this?
• While on the roof he sees some woman bathing, and she's pretty.  What do you think is wrong so far?
• David inquires about her.  How do you think he accomplishes this? Who else is now involved?
• What about David's inquiry do you think might be a problem?
• After finding out about her, he then sends for her.  Now we've obviously crossed a line.  This is clearly wrong.  How do you think David got to this place?  
• How long do you think it took, from seeing her from the roof, inquiry, to sending for her?
• David sends, but they 'take' her, but she goes with them (read verse 4 in as many translations as you have available).  So, how much do you think was coercion, and how much was her willingness?
• The NIV seems to imply this takes place after her 'period' (see Leviticus 15), but look at other translations as well, especially if you have a New American Standard.  It's certainly possible, otherwise it's confusing.  What are some interesting things we know now about such timing? (i.e.the 'calendar method'?)
• So, the 'calendar method' doesn't work for them (what a surprise).  She sends to David letting him know she's pregnant.  As king, why do you think this is a big deal for him?
• David sends for Uriah the Hittite.  He comes and David asks about the people fighting.  In each case, he uses the term, 'shalom'.  What does that tell you about the term we normally think of as some sort of divine peace?
• Uriah refuses to go to his own house, but remains with David's servants.  Consider the elements of Uriah's reason given to David.  What kind of character does Uriah show here?  What sort of guy is this Uriah?
• What do you think of Uriah's 'oath' in stating he will not do such a thing as go home?
• David then tries getting Uriah drunk, but he still doesn't go home.  How is Uriah looking now?
• Take a second, and consider Bathsheba.  How do you think she feel about her husband's devotion? If this is his character then in their life together, where is she in his 'pecking order'?
• David sends Uriah back to Joab with a note...Uriah carries his own death warrant.  What do you think Joab thinks when he reads the note Uriah carries?
• Joab complies, but it costs more than just Uriah.  How is David looking to you right now?  What do you feel as you read this particular piece?  That emotion is what the writer/editor is trying to evoke in the people of his day.  Why do you think he would do that?  What do you think is his point?
• Joab sends a messenger back to David and gives him some rather strange details, guessing David will refer to a historical tactical lesson.  Read Judges 9 to get the back story on the 'lesson'.  But the messenger seems to jump to the part about Uriah without waiting.  What would you think if I told you that the older Greek text has David saying exactly what Joab expected?
• What does it reveal to you about the historical setting that the story in Judges is so well known, that such stories are 'lessons' in tactics and God?
• David is then consolatory with the messenger's return message to Joab.  What do you think the messenger thinks?  Consider only what he knows, what do you think he thought of all this?
• For propriety, Bathsheba mourns for Uriah.  When the time is over, David brings her into his house.  What do you think everyone else thinks?  
• Remember what the messenger knows.  Do you think he can connect the dots yet?
• Do you think that after the battle the other soldiers moved a few more blocks away from the palace?
• What do you think about the very last verse of the chapter?

That should keep us busy for two weeks, but we'll see if we can get it into one.  Remember to bring your questions, observations, and differences between how you thought it went and how you see it now.   I look forward to seeing everyone Thursday!

Picking Fights, And Losing Them

This is the Bible study page for the Thursday Night Study Group meeting February 12 to study 2 Samuel 10.  This chapter is informative about events, but I think really simply sets the stage and forms the 'backdrop' against which the events of the following chapter occur.  That's an assumption, not a given.

The events themselves are interesting for a few reasons.  One of which is the character of David, another is the character of Joab, and finally the nature of the Aramean rebellion.  Look for those elements in particular, but also note and jot down anything else that strikes you as interesting or odd.  Be sure to bring all that to our group meeting.

After reading through the chapter a few times on your own, read back through again with the questions below:

• Look back at the list of David's campaigns (chapter 8).  The 'sons of Ammon' are mentioned, but the battle isn't described.  What correlation do you think there might be between them being listed there, and this chapter?
•  If the reference in chapter 8 is to these events, what 'kindness' do you think Nahash had shown David (it's never actually mentioned)?
• David sends servants to 'mourn' with the son, Hanun.  What do you think the new king thought at first?  Why do you think the 'princes' were suspicious of David?
• Since the princes were suspicious, what do you think that might mean for the timing of all these events (this versus chapter 8 for instance)?
• Shaved half the beard and cut half the clothes, why do you think 'half'?  Why do you think Hanun treated them with such contempt, why not just kill them?
• David has them remain in Jericho until they have some beard-dignity back.  How do you think that was an act of kindness or was it?
• The 'sons of Ammon' realized they 'stink' to David.  So they gather an army, and hire mercenaries.  At what point does David send his own army?  What do you think the possibility might have been for Hanun to repent before this?
• The mercenaries were in the field (outside/away from the city), and the sons of Ammon were before the gates.  Why do you think Joab 'saw' the battle was before and behind?  Why put himself in that situation?
• Consider Joab's arrangement for battle. Why do you think he put the 'choice men' against the Arameans and under his command?
• Try to imagine this arrangement, Joab versus the Arameans and Abishai versus the city and Ammon.  What do you imagine it looks like?
• Joab gives an inspiring speech to the troops.  In verse 12 he says they should be strong and courageous for their 'people and the cities of our God'.  What are 'the cities of our God'?
• He finishes with, 'and may the Lord (Yahweh) do what is good in His eyes.'  So what is his challenge to his men and his assurance from God?
• The battle went well for Israel, but the Arameans didn't like that they lost, so they assemble an even larger army.  Who leads this battle for the Arameans?  Why do you think he is mentioned, what's the point?  How do you imagine him, what do you think he looks like?
• What correlation do you see here between the Aramean war in chapter 8 and this account?  What differences do you see?
• Who kills 'Shobach'?  Do you think it was actually him or one of his men?
• The Arameans make peace, and don't help the sons of Ammon any more.  What do you think that might mean for the sons of Ammon in the future?

That should keep us busy for a bit.  Next week we begin the account of David and Bathsheba; our story then becomes a 'soap opera'.  Remember to bring your notes and questions to the group.

Kindness To The Lame

This is the Bible study page for the Thursday Night Study Group meeting February 5 to study 2 Samuel 9.  There is a lot of weirdness in this chapter.  David's actions toward Mephibosheth may seem strange, or at least they should.  But also consider the circumstances David found him in.

Read through this chapter several times, noting odd details, jotting down questions, and perhaps marking your Bible.  Then read ahead at 2 Samuel 16:1-4, and then skip to 19:24-30.  Then skip ahead to 2 Samuel 21:1-9 (which seems confusing).  These passages complete the account of Mephibosheth in David's story.  Without what has preceded (this chapter and the account earlier in 2 Samuel 4:4), these later details would not have made sense.  So this lengthy explanation needed to be included before the account of Absalom.

After you have read these accounts, noting and jotting down questions, read back through this chapter with the questions below:

• Why do you think David would ask about the house of Saul at this point?  What do you think people are thinking when he does?
• Ziba is brought to David, who is Ziba?  And what do you think Ziba's life has been like up to this point?
• David  asks where Mephibosheth is.  Why do you think he wasn't with Ziba already?
• Why do you think Mephibosheth is not with Saul's family in Benjamin? (he's across the Jordan)
• Consider that Mephibosheth falls on his face before David.  How debilitating do you think his 'lame' feet are?  How do you think he looks as he walks?
• The term, "eat at the kings table" doesn't refer to a literal 'table' or meal time, it refers to the source of the meals that Mephibosheth would eat.  So, how is Mephibosheth being treated by David?
• What do you think is going through Mephibosheth's mind at this point?
• What do you think is going through Ziba's mind at this point?
• Now David turns to Ziba, and tells him that everything of Saul reverts to Mephibosheth and that he now works for him.  What do you think is going through Ziba's mind now?
• Consider that all that Ziba does for Mephibosheth he doesn't really need per se because his meals are provided for by the king.  How do you think this makes Ziba feel?
• With that point (what Ziba produces isn't necessary to Mephibosheth), what happens to the produce?
• Why the detail that Ziba has so many children and servants?  What do you think the writer is pointing out here?
• Why do you think it's interesting that Mephibosheth has a son?  What detail is then missing?
• As you read the accounts ahead, who's missing?
• Why do you think it's important to repeat that Mephibosheth is lame in both feet?

2 Samuel 16:1-4

• David is fleeing from Absalom, and Ziba meets him with supplies.  What is his explanation of the supplies?
• David asks about Mephibosheth.  Does Ziba's answer make much sense to you?  Why do you think David believes him?

2 Samuel 19:24-30

• Mephibosheh makes the effort to come down to David as he enters Jerusalem.  What do you think this looks like?
• Consider how unkempt Mephibosheth looks. Does that help or hinder his story?
• He has a mustache.  Why not a beard?
• Does the account of Mephibosheth ring true?  Was he waiting for Ziba to bring him a donkey? Did he miss the 'last cab out of town' or something?
• Mephibosheth finishes his explanation by recounting all that David did for him, and that it was not deserved.  How does that help Mephibosheth?
• Who do you believe between the two?  If Mephibosheth sounds more plausible, why do you think David split the goods?
• What do you think about Mephibosheth's response to splitting the lands/goods with Ziba?
• This seems to be where the issue is left.  Do you think Mephibosheth ever gains favor with David again?

We're not going to cover the issues in chapter 21 just yet. There's too much weirdness to just skip over.  So, we'll cover that in detail when we get to that chapter.

Remember to bring your notes and questions to group.  This is an interesting account, and I think we're going to enjoy studying together.

Cataloguing Subjigation, Geopolitical Positioning

This is the Bible study page for the Thursday Night Group meeting January 29 to study 2 Samuel 8.  This is a grand overview of David's establishment of Israel in the full extent of Palestine, for the first time since they entered the land.  His influence finally encompasses the whole of the land promised to Abraham.  There are still some rather interesting details that are peculiar in light of David, who he is, where he came from, and what happens to he and other kings later in Israel's history.

Read through the chapter a few times.  It sounds a lot like an old history book with snippets of detail, names, summaries of actions, and so on.  In some sense it can be boring, but on the other hand it can be rather fun if you do it with a map and try to get a sense of the geographical context.  That is also difficult because not everything can be found...

This is one of the times when a very good, large, Bible dictionary becomes handy.  I'll have one or two available on Thursday, but if you can acquire one, you will find it very handy as time goes on.  As you go through the chapter, jot down questions, notes, follow Bible translation cross references, and check out footnotes and other references.  Be sure, when you see a 'translation note' in one, that you also check other translations.  Phone/tablet apps are probably the easiest way to do that.

After you have gone through a few times with your own notes and questions, go back through with the questions below:

• Consider the timing.  'After this' you would think would mean after the preceding chapter, but remember the timing of the last chapter (7:1).  So how you think the editor of this material uses that phrase or what does he mean by it?  Why might he be using it here? What can you learn about his view of what he is compiling?
• Read verse 1 in a few translations.  They're not sure what to do with whatever David did to some city exactly.  It literally reads, 'David took bridle of the mother city from the hand of the Philistines.' What do you make of that?  It could be a place, 'Metheg Hammah' (KJV), but we're not sure where that would be since it's never used elsewhere.  The word is made up of two others: 'bridle' and 'cubit' but cubit is the 'mother' measure, so it's thought that it really means 'foundational' or 'base of all other things', or something; hence 'bridle of the mother' with city.  Considering this reference is never used before, or after, what do you think it means or refers to?
• In Moab David kills two-thirds of the survivors?  Read 1 Samuel 22:1-3, and then remember that David's great grandmother was Naomi (the Moabitess).  Why do you think that with Moab, he's so brutal?
• See if you can find Zobah on a map.  I'll have one to show on Thursday, but it's not that easy to pin down.  On the one I have, it's just above Israel, which puts it between Israel and the Euphrates River.  Yet Hadadezer is on his way to establish his rule at 'the River' which would be north of him.  Why is David harassing him that far north and not on the border with Israel?
• The Arameans from Damascus come out to help (which would put him between two enemies), he defeats them too.  What benefit can you think of for David to take on these foes?  Why's he picking these fights?
• Hamath is even further north, and this king doesn't fight, but brings David gifts.  What is going on for David here?  What is happening to Israel, and to their king?
• David dedicates all the stuff he gets to the Lord.  Why not tithe?  All of what Joram, son of Toi, king of Hamath brings he dedicates to the Lord.  Why do you think he does that?
• In verse 13, it says that David made a name for himself.  Could this be a fulfillment of God's promise in the previous chapter? (7:9) After what David accomplishes, who knows his name?
• Find the 'Valley of Salt' on a map.  He's attacked enemies in the north, he's defeated enemies to he southwest, now more Arameans are defeated in the southeast.  On a map, how secure is Israel now?
• What does it mean that David put garrisons in these places he defeated?  What's the benefit of doing that?
• The chapter winds up with a list of who does what.  What surprises do you see?  Did you catch the name swap?  
• What do David's sons do?  Look up the word here.  What is it really?  Why do you think translators had a real hard time with that?  Why do you think David wants his sons doing such work?

That should keep us busy for a while.  We'll be doing well to get passed the first few verses the way these questions were working out.  It took me two days to get through these!  I hope to see you all Thursday!

Mutual Admiration Society of Legendary Figures (MASLF for short)

This is the Bible study page for the Thursday Night Study group meeting January 22 to study 2 Samuel 7.  This is an odd chapter.  Essentially, it's a lot of superlatives connecting rejection and mutual admiration.  God speaks highly of David, so highly it's amazing.  And David speaks highly of God, humbly and meek.  It's so sappy it's sick, and yet, there are vital elements we need to consider emulating in our own relationship with God.

Read through the chapter a few times.  Look for the word usage differences between versions, however many you have.  Jot them down, note the more interesting ones, think of the similarities and differences in word meaning.  The flow of 'plot' or action isn't difficult to follow, but consider that as well.  Who is involved here?  What do they do? Then consider what they say.

After reading through a few times, making your own notes, read through again using the questions below:

• The setting is that all is going well for David.  So why do you think it bothers him that God is still in a 'tabernacle'?
• David speaks to Nathan (who's last name seems to be 'prophet') about his concern and Nathan gives him the 'go ahead'.  Why do you think Nathan would do that?  Try and ignore the rest of the chapter, what do you think Nathan is thinking?
• God corrects Nathan that night in a dream.  The first thing God addresses is the whole, 'tent' issue.  What's God's point about the tent?  Why do you think God is happy in a tent at this time?
• God then recites what He has done for David, and continues into a statement that He will 'build the house of David'.  What do you think God is doing here?  Why do you think God would take the position of 'house-builder' with David, and not the 'house dweller'?
• Verse 9 is worded strangely, in that God will make David's name 'like that of the greatest in the land."  Who else is there?  Who are these 'greatest in the land' of whom God speaks?  What do you think it means for God to word this the way He does?
• God speaks of David's death and descendants.  In a sense, God does not establish David's throne, but Solomon's.  Why word it that way?
• Nathan passes on the word of God to David.  Then David goes and sits in the Lord's presence.  Where do you think David goes?  Why is David able to go there?
• Translations vary with verse 19, especially the ending.  Essentially, it says '...and this the 'torah' of adam (human as made from dust/dirt)...'  Think about that term, 'torah of adam'.  Considering what 'torah' usually means with Scripture, what do you think it's use here might mean?
• David claims that God has done for him what He did because of God's heart and own word.  What do you think David is saying by that?  What do you think he means?
• Verse 22 is what David concludes from what God has done, what he believes about God.  What do you think is interesting about this claim, considering he and his men capture idols from their enemies?
• David then recounts that the people of Israel are unique.  Other people's considered themselves to be 'chosen' by gods to do stuff.  What do you think or see here that makes Israel different?
• Verse 25 is the turn into David's conclusion.  David now asks for what God has promised.  What does this teach you about your relationship with God?  Remember the 'Favor Of God' lessons?  How does this relate?

This isn't a long chapter, but it's not short either.  There's a lot more in it than I went over in these questions.  Be sure to bring your notes and questions as we go through it together.

Don't Touch That!

This is the Bible study page for the Thursday Night Group meeting January 15 to study 2 Samuel 6.  This is an interesting chapter.  The details in how the ark is being moved illuminate some problems and misunderstanding by God's people.  The account of this in 1 Chronicles is very lengthy and drawn out.

Read over this chapter a few times.  Picture in your mind what it looks like; what's happening, who's doing what, what's it sound like, what sort of day is it?  As you read through it and imagine the events be sure to imagine the differences between the two attempts to bring the Ark into Jerusalem.  1 Chronicles splits these two attempts into three chapters, 13 and 15 through 16.  Read those, but look specifically at the differences in detail between the two attempts.  1 Chronicles is written from a priestly standpoint, so the emphasis is totally different.  Jot down observations and questions even between the two accounts.

After going through this chapter a few times, go back through with the questions below:

• Why was the Ark at Kiriath Jearim in the first place?  (Go back and read 1 Samuel 6 and 7) 
• The essential detail in Chronicles is the involvement of the Levites following the prescriptions from the Law on treatment of the Ark (Levies carry on poles).  Why do you think the whole involvement of the Levites might have been difficult at this particular stage of Israel's history?
• 1 Chronicles 13:3 says the people did not seek it all the days of Saul.  Why now?  Why not before?  
• All the priests at Nob were killed by Saul (except Abiathar), so how does that help you understand the 'priestly' historical context at this point?
• I said that Chronicles is written from a 'priestly context'.  What do you suspect would be the context of Samuel and Kings then? (consider the three roles of Jesus and that might help)
• Why do you think they would have tried to use a cart first to move the Ark?  Who do you think gave them  the idea? (read back to chapter 6 of 1 Samuel?)
• Who are Ahio and Uzza?  Why involve them in moving the Ark?
• If Uzza reaches out to steady the Ark about to fall, why do you think that would anger God?  What does that tell you about 'good stuff' we might do?
• It says that God struck him for his "error", "irreverent act", "irreverence", and some translations simply skip translating it all together.  Look up the word in the Strong's here.  There's even less, and somewhat contradictory information in another lexicon I have.  This word is only used here, and no where else.  In 1 Chronicles 13:10, it doesn't even have a term, it just says 'because he stretched out his hand on the Ark'.  So, what's happening here?  Why do you think God is so angry that He kills one who has guarded the Ark for many years?
• What is David's response to the death of Uzza? 
• David is angry, but also afraid.  What do you think he's thinking?  He is 'unwilling' to bring the Ark to Jerusalem.  Why do you think he would be 'unwilling'?
• Is there something missing in all this that is present as David goes to fight Philistines?
• They now place it with Obed-Edom.  His name is literally "servant of Edom".  Chronicles makes him out to be a Levite, but that's not mentioned here or later on in 2 Samuel.  Since God blesses him and his house (literally all that is to him), what is God communicating about the Ark?  How do you think this helps us understand what went wrong with Uzza, or does it?
• After 3 months, David hears that God blesses Obed-Edom.  What lesson does David seem to take from this? What do you think David was thinking/feeling before?
• It seems from verse 13 that the Ark is no longer being 'carted' to Jerusalem.  In this edition, there's no real description of any difference nor how David arrived at this particular difference.  Read 1 Chronicles 15:1-15 for a better description of the difference.  So, why do you think how David arrives at his conclusion is omitted there too?  How did he find the 'ordinance'?  Where was it?  Who had it? Why wasn't it used before?
• It's probably easier (and more profitable) to simply examine the difference between how David behaved the first time versus the second time.  So what did you notice as the major differences between how he went about moving the Ark the first time versus the second?
• What was David wearing for the occasion?  Obviously Michal despises David, and then accuses him of 'exposing himself' so we always assume that was all he was wearing, but it doesn't say that.  What other reasons, regardless of what she said, do you think she might have to despise David (whether they're true or not)?
• What do you think is significant that Michal is looking down out of a window as they enter the city?
• It says she despised David 'in her heart'.  Everyone seems to love David, and all he does turns up roses and sunshine.  What do you think is going on with Michal?
• The Ark is placed, sacrifices complete and David gives out gifts.  What do you think is significant about the gifts given?  It's an interesting detail, consistent between the two accounts.
• David blesses the people, which is normally a priests responsibility.  Why do you think David does it and it's okay that David does it?
• David goes home, with the intent to bless his house.  Michal chooses right then to go out to insult him.  What do you think motivated her to choose that time?  
• What did she obviously miss out on by not letting David do what he had in mind?  
• Rash, Michal was rash; but why do you think she was?  What reasons do you think she might have?  Consider her life up to this point.
• The ending statement about Michal is missing in Chronicles as is her insult of David.  What does that tell you about the focus of each?

That should keep us all busy for the evening.  I look forward to seeing everyone Thursday!

What Changed?

This is the Bible study page for the Thursday Night Group Meeting January 8 to study 2 Samuel 4 (possibly 5).  Chapter 4 is another link in the story of David's kingdom being established.  In this chapter events are aligned which remove the remaining obstacles between David and the rest of Israel's tribes; at least the obvious ones.  The passage of time between the accounts is never reconciled, and doesn't seem to be important to the writer/editor.

Read through chapter 4 and 5 together.  We may start 5, but they belong together even if we do them separately.  Really chapters 1 through 5 belong together, and are referred to as the 'succession narrative'.  There's another 'succession narrative' with Solomon, but after that, they're either short or non-existent.  A 'succession narrative' shows the various hurdles overcome to establish a king on a throne.  This had to happen every time a king came to power, even in Judah, but we only have the details of David and Solomon.

Remember to take notes, jot down questions, and see what you can find to reconcile problems you find.  There are plenty of places where the text seems to show what happens, but doesn't explain inconsistencies.  They drive us crazy, but didn't seem to bother the initial audience, or detract from the point of the author/editor.

After reading through a few times on your own, and with your own questions/notes taken, read through again with the questions below:

Chapter 4

• Why do you think, if Ish-Bosheth was afraid of Abner, he 'looses courage' when Abner dies?  Why do you think he wasn't 'comforted'?
• All Israel is 'disturbed' when Abner dies.  What do you imagine might have been their greatest concerns or fears?
• Regardless of where "Beeroth" fell in the tribal regions of Israel, the point of the author/editor is that they are Benjamites.  Why do you think that would be important here?
• Why do you think Mephibosheth is mentioned here?  Different commentators have different ideas about it, but what do you think?
• In almost every translation, the deed of killing Ish-Bosheth is repeated.  If you have a New Living Translation, look at their wording for it.  The reason for the difference is that the NLT used the Greek text instead of the Hebrew at this point.  Keep in mind that the available Greek text is older than the Hebrew.  Which do you think is easier to explain as an 'editorial change', a duplication or a consistent story?
• The two brothers go to David as quickly as possible.  Yet David seems to know the details of Ish-Bosheth's death already.  So how do you think that happened?  What are some explanations you came up with or found in commentaries? (there aren't wrong answers here)
• David refers to the death of the Amalekite who announces Saul's death to him in Ziklag.  Do you think, considering how people in this story seem to know so much, these guys hadn't heard that particular one?
• Again David has someone kill the 'bearers of "good news"' in a way.  Why do you think he didn't do this with Joab when he killed Abner?  For some context here, read 1 Kings 2:5 and 6.  What do you think it is about Joab that 'protects' him from David?

Chapter 5

•  The elders of the all the tribes come to David, finally.  Considering what they say to him, why do you think it has taken them so long to come to David?  Who's death do you think really cinched it for them, Abner or Ish-Bosheth?
• They site the prophecy that David will shepherd Israel.  Where do you think they heard that?  Was Abner the first or was it widely distributed around prior?  There is a historical saying that the 'victors get to write the history'.  How much of that do you think might be happening here?
• After the elders make their statement, they make a covenant with David, and anoint him king over all Israel.  What do you think made up the covenant?  Was it a 'Bill of Rights' sort of thing or do you think it was what they were willing to do?  There's no record of it, so it's all guess.
• The timing issue comes up again.  Seven years and six months over Judah in Hebron, does that mean only Judah?  The impression this gives is that as soon as he was anointed king, he takes Jerusalem.  So, how does Ish-Bosheth only reign 2 years over all Israel while David reigns seven over all Judah?
• It says 'The king and his men' came to Jerusalem.  Some think this just means the 600 who followed David before he became king.  Some think it just refers to the army in general.  Why do you think it would be important for David to take Jerusalem without the help of the other tribes?
• The Jebusites are Caananite hold-outs against Israel, but also against the Philistines.  They are very confident in their city defenses.  What does David seem to know that other attackers don't?
• Verses 1 through 5 seem to establish that David is anointed (accepted by the other tribes, finally). Six through ten are the establishment of Jerusalem as his capital.  Eleven through sixteen are the establishment of his 'dwelling' and life there.  Why do you think this progression is so important to his ascension to the throne of Israel?  Why all the detail about his wives, concubines, and sons for instance?  The writer did this for Hebron too, so what do you think is the point?
• Seventeen through the rest of the chapter, is the defeat of the Philistines.  What do you think might be significant about the 'place' where they fight (The Valley of Raphaim)?  
• What, if anything, might be significant about 'all the Philistines' going up to fight David?
• In the first defeat of the Philistines, David takes spoils of idols.  Why do you think that might be significant?
• In the second defeat of the Philistines, they pursue them to their cities.  Why do you think the difference might be important?
• In both instances David inquires of God.  Each time he gets a different answer.  So how do you imagine this happening?  What does David do to inquire?
• The response the second time has some interesting detail.  What does this detail mean for the method David used to inquire?  How does this detail influence how you imagine David inquiring of God?
• David has success, lots of it.  Yet his victories still are due to his inquiry of God.  What does that say about our lives?  Do you see the value of knowing how David inquired of God?  How can we also inquire of God?

We'll focus on chapter 4 and see if we make it into 5.  See you all Thursday!

Revenge and Politics

This is the Bible study page for the Thursday Night Group meeting December 18 to study 2 Samuel 3.  This chapter has lots of very peculiar elements in it.  Some of the high points are David able to make a covenant with Abner that will bring the other tribes over to him.  The low point is the murder of Abner.  How all this plays out is the makings of a good story or epic movie.

Read the chapter over several times.  You can read ahead as chapter 4 rounds out this part of David's story, and from there we take a very different turn.  As you read through this chapter be sure to jot down things that seem very odd, questions, and any observations about the story or wording.  And please bring those notes and questions to the group with you.

After you read through a few times, with your own notes and question, go back through with the questions below:

• It doesn't say how long the war between David and Ish-Bosheth lasted, but why do you think this is a good setup for what happens between Ish-Bosheth and Abner?
• Sons were born to David.  One commentator said there was something important about there only being one son to each wife.  Why do you think that would be important?  
• How do you think Abner might have been strengthening his position within the house of Saul, and why do you think he would do that if the 'house' is failing?
• Why do you think 'going in to' Saul's concubine would have been so serious?  Or was it serious since Ish-Bosheth only mentions it, and doesn't try to actually punish Abner?
• After strengthening himself in the house of Saul, consider how quickly he switches loyalty.  What do you imagine is going on with Abner at this point?  Do you think he's that erratic or is it just the story, or what?  What if he's actually quite clever?  What would these two elements (his strengthening his position, and then switching to David) mean if he were actually being very clever?
• Consider how he phrases his giving the kingdom to David in verse 9.  What then is known about David that we may have assumed was a private thing?
• If Abner knew that God promised the kingdom to David, why do you think he set up Saul's son in the first place?
• Ish-Bosheth is afraid of Abner, what do you think Ish-Bosheth believes will happen next, and why?
• Consider that Abner sends messengers to David, specifically on his own behalf, yet it's Ish-Bosheth that sends for Michal.  And then, when she comes, it's Abner who sends Paltiel away.  What do you think this means?  What do you think is going on here?
• After getting Michal, then Abner goes to the elders of Benjamin and Israel.  Why do you think it's so important to specify Benjamin here?
• After he's spoken to the elders Abner goes to Hebron with 20 men.  What do you think was on the list of things that Israel and Benjamin wanted to do, or is this just a way of referring to the people all wanting to make David king?
• Abner goes to assemble the people of Israel and after he leaves Joab shows up.  Considering that Joab returns from a very successful 'raid', how do you think he is feeling right now?
• Joab hears that Abner was here, and he goes to chew out the king.  Why do you think David puts up with Joab?
• Joab has Abner return and then kills him in the gate.  Consider that it also says that Abishai is also somehow involved.  Why do you think it might be significant that Abner dies in the gate?
• What does Joab claim was Abner's reason for coming to David?  How reasonable does this sound to you?
• When David hears of what Joab does he actually curses Joab and his family line.  Why so severe a response, yet David leaves Joab as 'general'?
• David tells Joab and his 'people' to mourn Abner, and then follows the mourning of David over Abner.  How authentic does David's response to Abner's death seem to you?
• Consider how the people, both local to David in Hebron/Judah and those of all Israel think of David's mourning over Abner.  They clearly thought he was being authentic.  Why would he be so adamant about how important Abner was to Israel?  How likely is it that Abner really was a quality guy and everyone simply saw that and acknowledged that in him?

 That should keep us busy for an hour or so.  Please be sure to bring your questions and observations.  There's lots of room for speculation, and sometimes getting us thinking about it opens us up to what the Spirit who inspired these things wants us to get from it.

Fun On The Hill And At The Pool

This is the Bible study page for the Thursday Night Group meeting December 11 to study 2 Samuel 2.  This chapter has some odd elements in it.  The characters behave in odd ways, and the story is a bit odd or at least difficult to imagine.

Read through the chapter a few times.  Perhaps reading ahead would help gain some context.  As you read through, jot down observations, questions, and insights.  Look for elements that demonstrate the influence of God.  Sometimes they are more difficult to find than you would expect because you end up having to infer them.

After you've read through a few times, read back through with these questions:

• Why do you think David is inquiring of God at this point?  What is his circumstance?
• Consider God's answers.  Try and imagine the process to ask the questions from the answers.  What do you imagine is happening?
• Both Carmel and Jezreel are actually in Judean hills, but more famous places with these names are found in the north.  Why do you think it might matter that these wives are 'local'?
• Read 1 Samuel 30:26-31.  What influence do you think this had on the men anointing David as king?
• David finds out what the men of Jabesh-Gilead did for Saul and Jonathan, and sends a blessing to them.  Many commentators say this was 'shrewd' on David's part to gain support, but look at where Jabesh-Gilead is in relation to Judah (see map below).  What do you think are some other alternatives?
• Consider the content of David's message.  Why do you think David would want to 'bless' them and return their kindness onto them?
• Why do you think David mentions his 'kingship' in Judah?  Do you think he's being shrewd or do you think he's simply validating his ability or resources to bless/do kindness to Jabesh-Gilead?
• Abner becomes a character at the forefront of the story here.  Considering that Abner was Saul's uncle, why do you think he wouldn't simply try and become king?
• Look at 1 Chronicles 8:33.  Considering that 'Baal' was also a term for the Hebrew God early on, what is the difference between the names?  Look up the name in 1 Chronicles 8:33 here, and the name in 2 Samuel 2:8 here.  What do you think is important and meaningful in the difference?
• Find Mahanaim on the map below.  Why do you think it made sense to make the 'capital' there?  What do you think that says about the 'strength' of the new 'king & country'?
• If Ish-Bosheth was 40, why wasn't he at the battle, and how old was everyone else if he's the youngest?
• Ish-Bosheth reigned two years and David 7 in Hebron.  What do you think happened to the 5 years difference?
• There's no real explanation about how they meet up in Gibeon.  If you check commentaries and your study Bibles, there will be differing opinions.  Why do you think Abner wanted to turn it into a 'battle' of sorts?
• The 'battle' didn't end up going Abner's way.  Imagine how it begins, consider the wording and the explanation of the place-name, what do you think is the writer's point here in describing it as he does?
• Zeruiah was David's sister, and her three sons were part of David's warrior band, and Joab was his 'general'.  This is important for the next few chapters.  Why do you think, as fast as Asahel was, he couldn't catch the much older (like, well-over-60 older) Abner?  What do you think he was doing?
• Why doesn't Abner want to kill Asahel?  Remember that!
• How hard must they have been running for the butt-end of the spear to pass through Asahel?
• Everyone stops at the place where Asahel dies, except for his two brothers.  Why do you think they kept going?  Why do you think they really stopped when they did?
• Abner was the one who suggested the 'battle' in the first place.  Why do you think he would blame Joab for continuing it?
• Joab says he will stop because Abner said what he did.  What do you think are some other reasons he would stop the pursuit?
• Consider how long Abner and his men walk (v.29).  Then consider how much Joab and the people accomplished in the same time.  Look at the map below.  Who traveled further?
• Consider the huge difference in how many were lost on each side.  What do you think that means?  Why do you think it would be so lopsided?

That should keep us busy for a bit.  Remember to bring your notes and questions to the group Thursday.